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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 11, 2008 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

Amen rasta, amen. All too often we fall into the rut of complacency and fail to notice the things around us that are truly important. Even with all the current troubles, the United States is still the best palce on the panet. We are blessed with more freedoms, and a standard of living that is virtually unmatched in the world today. That high standard, and all those freedoms were bought and paid for by valiant brotheres and sisters who fought, and sometimes died that thier fellow Americans might live a better life.

For most of the history of the United States returning service men and women were greeted as heroes, Sadly, there wasa time that those returning were reviled by some and simply neglected by many. though that travesty has been corrected, it is never a waste of time to thank a veteran. Afer all, without those brave souls we would not be able to enjoy the life we have. And as bad as life may sometimes seem, rest assured that we have it easier than most of the world's population.

To all who have served, are now serving and those who made the ultimate sacrifice, I say "Thank You!"

Peace to all who asssemble here...Namste

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 12, 2008 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

UU -

I know your post was not to me specifically, but in response:

You are more than welcome.

I did what I did for 24 years because of folks like you - none of us ever went out and said "I want to do 9 deployments, miss the birth of my children, 5 of my first 6 anniversaries and spend 16 years, 11 months and 9 days of my life AT SEA" looking for thanks.

But when it does come along, it is heartwarming. Guys like you deserve thanks for the humanity to recognize and appreciate the sacrifice of others.

Be Well.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 11, 2008 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

>>> fall into the rut of complacency and fail to notice the things around us that are truly important. Even with all the current troubles, the United States is still the best palce on the panet. We are blessed with more freedoms, and a standard of living that is virtually unmatched in the world today. That high standard, and all those freedoms were bought and paid for by valiant brotheres and sisters who fought, and sometimes died that thier fellow Americans might live a better life.>>>>

Where to begin. First stop the falg waving (there's still a speeling gap). The Republicans have not put country first and have failed soldiers by cutting benefits and starting wars on false pretenses. The US won't even supply proper armor for vehicles and soldiers!

The US is NOT necessarily the best place to live "virtually". There are countries that have are richer per person and have a higher quality of life. While it still is a nice country, the economy is built on the backs of the poor around the world and IN the US. Policies favorable to the rich have lead to a decreasing standard of living for the middle class and the poor.


>>>For most of the history of the United States returning service men and women were greeted as heroes, Sadly, there wasa time that those returning were reviled by some and simply neglected by many. though that travesty has been corrected, it is never a waste of time to thank a veteran. >>>

I won't be thanking people like Lindy England and other torturers unless they repent, and it is a waste of time to thank the unrepentant.

To claim that travesties in the treatment of servicemen is over is just not true. Surely you've hear of scandals at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and elsewhere? Even right wing groups like the RAND Corp talk about the staggering numbers who suffer from PTSD, which the Bush Admin has refused to treat.

I'll leave it to you and others to follow up, since there's no excuse now that information is so easy to find via the Google and the Internets' pipes.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 11, 2008 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

Spaced: In case you failed to notice, the letter was written by a soldier that gave his life in the Vietnam War.

Perhaps you didn't recognize that today is Veterans Day, not Armed Services day, nor Patriots Day. it's a day to remember the sacrifices of regular guys placed in extraordinary circumstances, likely not of their own doing. Most, even in today's war, went ahead and did their duty regardless of the personal cost or their personal political view...without complaint.

...and many even gave their last full measure of patriotism fighting in a disagreeable conflict believing that they were protecting your rights. I don't believe that the right to whine is what they were thinking about when they were taking hostile fire.


Wave that flag and don't argue, cause Mr. Earl googled it.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 11, 2008 5:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

>>>Most, even in today's war, went ahead and did their duty regardless of the personal cost or their personal political view...without complaint. >>>

Well it is easy to commiserate with most of them. It might be difficult to not follow orders to commit genocide or crimes against humanity are manifestly unlawful, but obeying the law is paramount over unlawful immoral instruction.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 11, 2008 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

I am not shocked at all. Disgusted, maybe, but shocked no...

I bet you $5 this gets ugly.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 11, 2008 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

Hey "spaced" since you decided to "attack" me, let me clarify my position.

"First stop the falg waving"

I am no Republican f-l-a-g waver. And there was no political intent in my post.

"All too often we fall into the rut of complacency and fail to notice the things around us that are truly important."

I was speaking of the myriad freedoms enjoyed here in the U.S. that are denied to many people of the world.

"The Republicans have not put country first and have failed soldiers by cutting benefits and starting wars on false pretenses. The US won't even supply proper armor for vehicles and soldiers!"

You will get no argument from me on the stated facts. However, with these facts being common knowledge there are still those that feel the call to serve. Some may serve for "wrong" reasons, but it is not really my place to judge that.

"While it still is a nice country, the economy is built on the backs of the poor around the world and IN the US."

Again, I cannot argue with your facts. I will add that the economic foundation of most countries is "the backs of the poor". Of course "poor" is a relative term. I have personally seen conditions that make" project housing" look mansion-like.

"To claim that travesties in the treatment of servicemen is over is just not true"

The travesty I spoke of may have occurred "before your time". Or you may have been one of the perpetrators of that travesty. I don't think there are many people meeting returning troops today spitting on them and welcoming them home with chants of "baby killer". At least publically, current returning soldiers seem to be met with open arms and thank you's. Admittedly they are not being treated properly by the "powers that be", but that is a different issue.

"It is never a waste of time to thank a veteran."

Especially on Veterans Day.

"It is a waste of time to thank the unrepentant."

Agreed. But would you withhold thanks from the deserving because of the actions of a few rogues?



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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 11, 2008 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

>>>"It is a waste of time to thank the unrepentant."

Agreed. But would you withhold thanks from the deserving because of the actions of a few rogues?>>>

No. Mistakes are forgivable, or else I'm in real trouble.

The Vietnam War was no more valid than the latest war on Iraq. Both were built on lies, so I can see the trouble people would have being involved.

Veterans of such wars deserve care as much as ones of the other wars. I don't thing that the huge military budget really does them justice.

I went to the Vietnam War Memorial unaware of what it was when it first opened. You walk down gradually until you underground; seeing your reflection except where the names are is spooky enough without statues and glorifications. Very sobering.

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Poster: BiscoBoy Date: Nov 11, 2008 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

Face, you really are an ignorant douche bag.
You are more concerned with fanning the flames, than finding the facts.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 11, 2008 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful to the Veterens

>>You are more concerned with fanning the flames, than finding the facts. >>

Burn in your rage if you wish, but I'd advise against it. Check the facts -- mouthing support the troops is different than actually supporting them.

And the phony accusation that Democrats would sttop funding the "troops" is silly, because funding is the duty of Congress and the President has no right to make soldiers fight without field support. It wouldn't work anyway.

Of course trying to use logic when talking to zombies doesn't work -- I just don't think you've all turned yet.